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05/19/2018 at 19:46 • Filed to: None
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"blacktruck18" (blacktruck14)
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FP: Let’s write an article about how Indy 500 bump day “Might be the worst day of the year” but not follow that up with an article about how the guy who is currently 5th in Indy car points got bumped out of the field.
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Sucks for Hinchcliffe and the whole team, especially the guy who is probably going to get fired for not tightening a lug nut on the last qualifying attempt.
f86sabre
> blacktruck18
05/19/2018 at 20:08 |
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I love the idea that there is some drama again, but bummed for Hinch and Pippa. It would be nice if the rules allowed for second runs on Sunday and then bumping like the old days, but everyone new the rules. This new setup seems challenging to get right.
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blacktruck18
> f86sabre
05/19/2018 at 20:30 |
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It seems weird that Hinch didn’t get to go out again. I think they should adjust the rule to if you are in line to go when the time is up you can still go out.
After the tire deal he was back in line to go but Rossi was on track trying to improve his position, Rossi had every right to be on track, but it ended up messing up Hinchcliffe.
TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> blacktruck18
05/19/2018 at 20:32 |
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I like the idea of bump day but there really has to be something in place to prevent championship contenders from being bumped. Something as simple as giving full season drivers fast lane priority over one off drivers would do it. James is now effectively out of the championship because he is now missing 2 races worth of points and would have been in the race if he had gotten a second run.
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f86sabre
> blacktruck18
05/19/2018 at 20:40 |
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Tradition is that the gun sounds and that’s it. The rain really messed with people. People should have been putting in a bankers lap when the track went green as rain was in the forecast.
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blacktruck18
> f86sabre
05/19/2018 at 21:02 |
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Did you watch it? If so, did you see the gun go off? I remember they used to show the guy stick his arm out the window and shoot the gun. Didn’t see it this year. I might have missed it though.
I am with the tradition of it aaannnddd if the team hadn’t messed up the wheel he would have gotten his lap in and the rain messed everyone up. But, it just seems like maybe the last 30 minutes the track should only be open for the bump guys. Rossi was starting 16th ( I think) and ran again. I think the people who are already locked in shouldn’t be able to mess up anyone trying to get in the race. Also, in the last 10 minutes of qualifying I don’t care about someone who is locked trying to improve, the bump battle is so much more exciting.
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TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
05/19/2018 at 21:03 |
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So reading about it now it is actually the car, not the driver, that qualifies for Indy. So technically a deal could be made where one of the other SPM drivers steps out and lets Hinch run their car, which would allow Hinch to earn championship points. Jay Howard would be the likely one to be asked to give up his ride as he is the only SPM driver who is not running the full season.
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blacktruck18
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
05/19/2018 at 21:13 |
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I really don’t think the championship contenders should have priority and the team messed up the wheel which stopped him from getting his run in which was huge. But, as I said to F86 above the people already locked in shouldn’t be able to go on track while the bump battle is happening. Rossi wasn’t in the wrong for being out there, but he was starting midfield with no chance of getting bumped. Have just the bump guys run the last 30 minutes or so that is so much more exciting than watching someone try improve their time.
Assuming Hinchcliffe would have made it, letting Rossi on track kept the 5th driver in the standings and the only Indy car driver I can think that stars in a national commercial out of the Indy 500. It seems like the officials should have seen this as a possibility and done something to prevent it.
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TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> blacktruck18
05/19/2018 at 21:16 |
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The fast lane that Hinch and Mann were in gets priority over the slow lane everyone else is in. While Pipa and James were both fueling and getting ready to get back on track Rossi was running and ready to go and thus was allowed to make a run. If Pipa or James was actually ready to get on track they would have been allowed to go instead of Rossi.
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TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> blacktruck18
05/19/2018 at 21:20 |
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As in my other reply Rossi was allowed to try to improve because neither Pipa or James were ready to go. Rossi was allowed to make another run instead of having a dead track waiting on Pipa and James.
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blacktruck18
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
05/19/2018 at 21:29 |
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Ya, I know that’s the rule and why he was out there I just think they should change the rule. IMO, the end of bump day should just be for the people trying to make the race. Just lock the track down except for the bump racers at the end of the day.
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TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> blacktruck18
05/19/2018 at 21:33 |
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I agree. It would be good to see the main session end and then let the bumped drivers get one more run and then any drivers that get a bump also get one more run until all the bubble drivers are in or have gotten one last shot to get in.
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blacktruck18
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
05/19/2018 at 21:34 |
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That used to be a thing that happened regularly, someone who didn’t make it would just buy someone’s who made it I can see one of the other SPM drivers losing their car I would hate to have to see Hinch have to do that.
Because it’s Hinch, I wouldn’t be surprised if Indycar makes some kind of announcement that the wheel was on correctly it just was out balance so Hinch is in and 34 cars will start the race.
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TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> blacktruck18
05/19/2018 at 21:47 |
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I don’t see Indycar letting Hinch run as a 34th car. Indy has always been a 33 car grid and Indycar is still living in the shadow of Dan Wheldon’s death which was partially caused by putting 34 cars on track at Las Vegas (yes, it’s a different situation and a different track but Indycar has drawn criticism on several occasions for overcrowding tracks in the past). I don’t see the 33 car grid being anything other than a hard limit.
The only exemption I see them giving Hinch is allowing him to start his car as the 33rd on the grid if another car withdraws or is otherwise unable to start the race.
Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> blacktruck18
05/19/2018 at 22:18 |
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H still has a chance to start though cause one of his team mates who did make the 33 car field isn’t a regular series driver and the team owners could make the choice to switch the cars.
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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> blacktruck18
05/19/2018 at 22:20 |
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Championship contenders should absolutely get priority when there’s a driver whose only scheduled race this year is the 500. If I was hinches team owners I’d be pulling Howard tomorrow
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blacktruck18
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
05/19/2018 at 22:44 |
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Good point about Dan Wheldon.
I just imagine everyone in the upper levels of Indycar management freaking out and trying to find a workaround to get him in the field.
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blacktruck18
> Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/19/2018 at 22:46 |
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Ya, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that happen. Just sucks that one of the big name drivers can only get in that way.
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blacktruck18
> Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/19/2018 at 22:57 |
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I don’t think they should especially at the Indy 500 there’s a long tradition of one-off’s at Indy if it wasn’t for the one-off’s the field wouldn’t even have been full most of the years since the split.
Most Indycar fields besides the 500 are only about 25 cars at most. They can’t tell the one-off’s you might not be starting even if you are fast enough, that would kill the car count.
EDIT: The championship teams shouldn’t even be in this situation, they have been running all year they should have a better feel for the cars before practice even starts.
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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> blacktruck18
05/19/2018 at 23:08 |
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EDIT: The championship teams shouldn’t even be in this situation, they have been running all year they should have a better feel for the cars before practice even start
Sure. And I bet you hinchcliffe would have been had it not been for the 2 hour rain delay then having to go out first. But team owners usually think season championships are more important than the 500 as it should be. Especially when the current championship standings are so tight. Hinch misses the 500 entirely and you can basically count him out of winning the championship
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blacktruck18
> Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/19/2018 at 23:16 |
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I fully agree with you the rain messed up everyone’s day and Indycar should have added time on after the rain, I have no idea why they didn’t add time. If I had to guess I would say TV but I don’t know.
Either way it looks like SPM is trying to buy him a ride.
https://racer.com/2018/05/19/hinchcliffe-open-to-another-500-seat-as-spm-looks-at-options/